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Glimm
Jul 27, 2005


Spiritus Nox posted:

Not necessarily. Might have been waiting for a greater concentration of runners - if it was planned that well, anyway.

If this was the point, why not set it off at the start? Much greater concentration of people at the starting line.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006


A DENVER FAX posted:

Its interesting the bomb did not go off when the winner crossed the finish line.

Not enough of a crowd probably, or you can't really estimate when they'll cross the line.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004


Again, this is what we know:

1) Three devices went off in Boston. Two occured within 20 seconds of each other at the finish line of the marathon, and were explosives. A better YouTube link can be found here. The third caused a fire at the JFK library.

2) An individual was seen on video placing backpacks inside the trash cans that exploded at the finish line.

3) No other devices have been found.

4) 2 people are dead, 23 injured.

Spiritus Nox
Sep 1, 2011


A Winner is Jew posted:

And it's started.


Yes, because using the last tragedy for political gain before all the facts where in worked out so well last time.

Not to undermine the tragedy of today, but I really don't think the body count will come close to 911, to say nothing of their continued insistance on pretending that Bush was sworn in on September 12.

SirFozzie
Mar 28, 2004


The Boston Globe ‏@BostonGlobe 3m
MARATHON EXPLOSIONS: Boston hospitals report more than 100 being treated after Marathon explosions.

Capt. Sticl
Jul 24, 2002


syntaxrigger posted:

If you know anyone that needs to find someone that was at the race today, Google set up a person finder. I'd post the number too but I don't have it.

Google People Finder Related to Boston Explosion
Numbers:

If you are trying to locate someone, call: 617-635-4500.

If you have any information about the explosions, call: 1-800-494-TIPS

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006


Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Again, this is what we know:

1) Three devices went off in Boston. Two occured within 20 seconds of each other at the finish line of the marathon, and were explosives. The third caused a fire at the JFK library.

2) An individual was seen on video placing backpacks inside the trash cans that exploded at the finish line.

3) No other devices have been found.

4) 2 people are dead, 23 injured.

Expect a flood of 'reported explosions' as EoD goes to work throughout the day too.

So don't get paranoid, keep your wits up and we'll let you know as new and solid info comes up

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009


Gonzo McFee posted:

You put something like "A source says". That way it's not you making shit up, it's your source. Just because the source is someone like Derek from accounting saying "Probably a Muzzie" doesn't mean it's not a source.
Also the Supreme Court ruled that you can claim to be a news source and still lie and not give facts, because first amendment.

Capt. Sticl
Jul 24, 2002


CommieGIR posted:

Not enough of a crowd probably, or you can't really estimate when they'll cross the line.

Former police commissioner on MSNBC claimed that there was actually a BIGGER crowd when the first runner crossed. The crowd had thinned over the two hours between that and the explosion.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006


Capt. Sticl posted:

Former police commissioner on MSNBC claimed that there was actually a BIGGER crowd when the first runner crossed. The crowd had thinned over the two hours between that and the explosion.

Well we don't know how the device was set to trigger either, Boston Police thinks Cell phone, but you figure if that was true the device would have gone off earlier.

Either way, we don't know enough about the triggers and device yet. EoD will probably be working into the early hours of the morning

A DENVER FAX
Jan 19, 2012


Capt. Sticl posted:

Former police commissioner on MSNBC claimed that there was actually a BIGGER crowd when the first runner crossed. The crowd had thinned over the two hours between that and the explosion.

Yeah, thats why I was interested.

gvibes
Jan 18, 2010


Gonzo McFee posted:

It's also the New York Post. They'll be outright making shit up to get page views right up until the point where actual evidence shows up and then all the old stuff will be quietly discarded.
Did not realize the NYP was that bad, apologies.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002


Has anyone said at what time backpack dude was seen supposedly putting backpacks in receptacles?

How are u
May 19, 2005


I feel like a bit of a jerk for feeling this way but this doesn't seem to be a particularly effective act of terrorism. I mean two dead and twenty three injured is terrible but its also a pretty low number. The perpetrator could have done way more if he'd used an automatic weapon, so I'm guessing that its amateur domestic terrorism executed by somebody who barely had any idea of what they were doing but also isn't committed enough to go down shooting.

I guess I'm just desensitized because I do not feel terrified at all.

WaterIsPoison
Nov 5, 2009


The only true way to evaluate a terrorist attack is not by the body count, but by the reaction of the victim state after the attack.

A DENVER FAX
Jan 19, 2012


How are u posted:

I feel like a bit of a jerk for feeling this way but this doesn't seem to be a particularly effective act of terrorism. I mean two dead and twenty three injured is terrible but its also a pretty low number. The perpetrator could have done way more if he'd used an automatic weapon, so I'm guessing that its amateur domestic terrorism executed by somebody who barely had any idea of what they were doing but also isn't committed enough to go down shooting.

I guess I'm just desensitized because I do not feel terrified at all.

I would not be surprised if it was planned to be a larger coordinated explosion and most of the bombs were duds

illumn8d
Jul 24, 2002


This is bringing back a lot of strange memories of watching the Waco compound burn on the news as the runners walked past my dorm in their space blankets. It is too soon to make that connection, but it still is very odd. It was 20 years ago, but the day is off as Patriots Day is always a Monday.

DiabloStarCraft
Oct 12, 2006


How are u posted:

I feel like a bit of a jerk for feeling this way but this doesn't seem to be a particularly effective act of terrorism. I mean two dead and twenty three injured is terrible but its also a pretty low number. The perpetrator could have done way more if he'd used an automatic weapon, so I'm guessing that its amateur domestic terrorism executed by somebody who barely had any idea of what they were doing but also isn't committed enough to go down shooting.

I guess I'm just desensitized because I do not feel terrified at all.

Hope it's not something like the beginning of an IRAesque style terrorist campaign, with lots of small attacks all over the place.

Fire
Aug 26, 2002


Like how people on the news are saying "were they terrorists or were they homegrown?"

As if terrorists are only foreigners.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010


JT Jag posted:

I understand that, but it's just the extensiveness of it all that throws me.

Dumping two packages containing bombs into separate trash cans and setting them to explode at the same time isn't exactly rocket science. Terrorism really is not all that difficult to pull off without the support of a large group.

Glimm posted:

If this was the point, why not set it off at the start? Much greater concentration of people at the starting line.

Reports of the guy placing backpacks in trashcans say he did so 20-30 minutes before the explosions, so it's quite possible that he didn't plant them before the race. Why? Who knows? Maybe he thought he'd be less suspicious after the race's climax, maybe he didn't have the opportunity to get over there without raising suspicion till then.

TehSaurus
Jun 12, 2006


How are u posted:

I feel like a bit of a jerk for feeling this way but this doesn't seem to be a particularly effective act of terrorism. I mean two dead and twenty three injured is terrible but its also a pretty low number. The perpetrator could have done way more if he'd used an automatic weapon, so I'm guessing that its amateur domestic terrorism executed by somebody who barely had any idea of what they were doing but also isn't committed enough to go down shooting.

I guess I'm just desensitized because I do not feel terrified at all.

I'm in the same boat. I mean, this is tragic and I don't want to minimize the damage, but when I think of this compared to the number and kinds of accidental deaths I can't get that excited about it. I mean, if we got this kind of news coverage every time two people died of preventable disease there wouldn't be room for any other news.

Zuhzuhzombie!!
Apr 17, 2008


How are u posted:

I feel like a bit of a jerk for feeling this way but this doesn't seem to be a particularly effective act of terrorism. I mean two dead and twenty three injured is terrible but its also a pretty low number. The perpetrator could have done way more if he'd used an automatic weapon, so I'm guessing that its amateur domestic terrorism executed by somebody who barely had any idea of what they were doing but also isn't committed enough to go down shooting.

I guess I'm just desensitized because I do not feel terrified at all.

Three went off, several duds found.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009


How are u posted:

I feel like a bit of a jerk for feeling this way but this doesn't seem to be a particularly effective act of terrorism. I mean two dead and twenty three injured is terrible but its also a pretty low number. The perpetrator could have done way more if he'd used an automatic weapon, so I'm guessing that its amateur domestic terrorism executed by somebody who barely had any idea of what they were doing but also isn't committed enough to go down shooting.

I guess I'm just desensitized because I do not feel terrified at all.

9/11 isn't the standard. This is the average terrorist attack. Lot of damage, handful of wounded, few dead. You'd be a lot more terrified if you were there.

Iraqi elections are going on at the moment too, aren't they?

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004


Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

Three went off, several duds found.

No other devices have been found.

computer parts
Nov 17, 2010


Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

No other devices have been found.

They just reported on MSNBC that they found another unexploded device.

MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012


CommieGIR posted:

Either way, we don't know enough about the triggers and device yet. EoD will probably be working into the early hours of the morning

Nor will we ever. EOD doesn't talk about what they find. Many of Ted Kaczynski's methods are still secret.

How are u
May 19, 2005


WaterIsPoison posted:

The only true way to evaluate a terrorist attack is not by the body count, but by the reaction of the victim state after the attack.

This is obviously quite true and I hope that the rest of the country ends up feeling the same way I do.

A DENVER FAX
Jan 19, 2012


jesus, Wolf Blitzer seriously just asked a runner if they would want to run next year.

Fuck you Wolf Blitzer

Intruder
Mar 4, 2003


Is there actually a suspect in custody or was that also NYP "reporting"?

A DENVER FAX
Jan 19, 2012


Intruder posted:

Is there actually a suspect in custody or was that also NYP "reporting"?

Yeah no suspect

Capt. Sticl
Jul 24, 2002


Intruder posted:

Is there actually a suspect in custody or was that also NYP "reporting"?

Would it is just the NYP being stupid. Having a suspect would be all over other outlets if it were true.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004


computer parts posted:

They just reported on MSNBC that they found another unexploded device.

Have there been any other confirming reports? Early on there were reports of many devices, but the last press conference was adamant that only three had exploded and no others had been discovered.

MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012


A DENVER FAX posted:

jesus, Wolf Blitzer seriously just asked a runner if they would want to run next year.

Fuck you Wolf Blitzer

I wish I could be paid a lot of money to grow a beard and say stupid stuff and ask stupid questions on cable TV.

greatn
Nov 15, 2006


Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

No other devices have been found.

According to MSNBC ticker just now there have been two dismantled, but you can't rely on a frenzied media too much.

djw175
Apr 23, 2012


Capt. Sticl posted:

Would it is just the NYP being stupid. Having a suspect would be all over other outlets if it were true.

Apparently Fox News reported the same thing NY Post reported.

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009


Main Paineframe posted:

Dumping two packages containing bombs into separate trash cans and setting them to explode at the same time isn't exactly rocket science. Terrorism really is not all that difficult to pull off without the support of a large group.
Yeah, we're getting more info on it now, but in the early media frenzy it was sounding like there was six or twelve bombs that were just being found everywhere.

rope kid
Feb 2, 2001


A DENVER FAX posted:

jesus, Wolf Blitzer seriously just asked a runner if they would want to run next year.

Fuck you Wolf Blitzer

silvergoose
Mar 17, 2006


djw175 posted:

Apparently Fox News reported the same thing NY Post reported.

Frankly, exactly as reputable.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004


greatn posted:

According to MSNBC ticker just now there have been two dismantled, but you can't rely on a frenzied media too much.

Yeah, that's why I'm saying what we "know". The press conference clarified no devices had been found in spite of media reports of others. If there's multiple reports that's one thing, but a single MSNBC feed is supposition.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006


This NYP stuff really pisses me off. Are there any countries that we would consider to have reasonable freedom of press that also have restrictions on just making shit up? If so, what do those statutes look like?

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