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dusty posted:As an international viewer may I say that my impression of the US response over the last decade involved freaking the fuck out, stockpiling duct tape and politicians terrifying the populace with coloured threat warning systems warning of immenent attack for years. Canada would like you to shut the fuck up.
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dusty posted:
What a fucking tragedy indeed.
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:17 |
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Eruonen posted:This is not the time for this shit (in fact, it never is). It is though. The last thing we need is another 9/11-style fear-fueled binge of Patriot Acts and new government powers and restrictions. Some asshole(s) managed to kill 3 people, hopefully they manage to track them down and put them behind bars. But ultimately that's the price we pay for living in a society where people are free to use household objects without constant supervision.
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:17 |
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Mr. Moon posted:As a Brit, may I say you're a fucking cock for posting this dick-waving nonsense in here? As another Brit I think you should know what that sign was all about and the idea behind posting it in the context of different cultures bla bla bla. Personally, I am very impressed with the response and that the idea behind that sign is exactly what seems to be happening anyway. Keep calm, carry on it's the best middle finger. E:spelling Er Pernacchia fucked around with this message at Apr 15, 2013 around 15:21 |
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ThePkkKiller posted:Dude come on. "Hardening up"? There was a 8 year old who died because of this. Which is exactly why keeping calm and carrying on might not be such a bad idea - but feel free to freak out and disrupt your life if that makes you happier. Mr. Moon posted:As a Brit, may I say you're a fucking cock for posting this dick-waving nonsense in here? Well thanks for telling us you're British, but fuck off if you can't post anything more - I'm not British you lazy stupid cunt. Britain's response to terror over the decades is a model imho. The US - not so much. Obama's conference was calm and collected - so things will be different this time around no doubt.
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:20 |
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The right wing media response to this is going to be intolerable. Over under on number of hours before someone compares it to Benghazi? Innocent people were maimed and killed, time to score some points!
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Protocol 5 posted:Over under on number of hours before someone compares it to Benghazi? CNN, over an hour ago.
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:21 |
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Protocol 5 posted:The right wing media response to this is going to be intolerable. Over under on number of hours before someone compares it to Benghazi? Innocent people were maimed and killed, time to score some points! It has already started with the identical manufactured outrage over Obama's failure to use the word "terror" in his statement.
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:21 |
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Serves me right for avoiding cable news since I heard about it. This fucking country.
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:22 |
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jeffersonlives posted:It has already started with the identical manufactured outrage over Obama's failure to use the word "terror" in his statement. And repeated calls for impeaching Obama from hardcore Far Rightwingers. And conspiracy theories saying this is a plot by Obama. I hate people sometimes.
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:23 |
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dusty posted:As an international viewer may I say that my impression of the US response over the last decade involved freaking the fuck out, stockpiling duct tape and politicians terrifying the populace with coloured threat warning systems warning of immenent attack for years. Clearly every single thing in the wiki is a different from how the US does stuff. Also, plenty of 'hardened' things: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respon...London_bombings
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:24 |
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dusty posted:Which is exactly why keeping calm and carrying on might not be such a bad idea - but feel free to freak out and disrupt your life if that makes you happier. You do know there aren't fucking riots, and the explosion was marked by things like people surging forward to help and running to give blood and other shit, yea? Like, it's being handled pretty well, even if you think that someone going 'Jesus this is horrible' is apparently them pissing their pants shamefully unlike the ~stiff upper lip~ of glorious England. Spoiler alert: When people blow up in the UK they go 'holy shit' too.
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Dusseldorf posted:But it's still a good way to pass-out and take up the time of an overburdened hospital.
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:27 |
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dusty posted:As an international viewer may I say that my impression of the US response over the last decade involved freaking the fuck out, stockpiling duct tape and politicians terrifying the populace with coloured threat warning systems warning of immenent attack for years. Jesus dude.
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:28 |
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dusty posted:Well thanks for telling us you're British, but fuck off if you can't post anything more - I'm not British you lazy stupid cunt. Britain's response to terror over the decades is a model imho. The US - not so much. Obama's conference was calm and collected - so things will be different this time around no doubt. I didn't think you were British, mate, I was more objecting to you using my country as a prop to go HEH AMERICA BUNCHA CISSIES AM I RIGHT in a thread about a tragedy. Especially when the actual response to said tragedy has been pretty exemplary thus far.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:meaningless waffle Think about the US response to 9/11 then post. There hasn't been a "response" to this politically yet big shot.
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:29 |
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Tweets I saw on Boston.com said that they're telling people not to donate blood now, but to wait a few weeks when there will be an actual shortage.
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Protocol 5 posted:The right wing media response to this is going to be intolerable. Over under on number of hours before someone compares it to Benghazi? Innocent people were maimed and killed, time to score some points! ![]() I am sort of hoping for anything-but-a-Muslim, just because god damn it we were starting to ever so slightly unfuck the racial stereotyping. ...Now watch it be a gay black communist on Castro's payroll, just to teach me a lesson about wishes.
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:30 |
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dusty posted:Which is exactly why keeping calm and carrying on might not be such a bad idea - but feel free to freak out and disrupt your life if that makes you happier. I have two close friends who live in Boston. I have every right to "freak out" and "disrupt my life" man.
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dusty posted:Which is exactly why keeping calm and carrying on might not be such a bad idea - but feel free to freak out and disrupt your life if that makes you happier. Yeah I'm sure Jean Charles de Menezes and Bobby Sands, amongst others, agree that Britain's response to terror over the past decades has been a model. Well, maybe they would if they weren't dead. You fucking moron.
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dusty posted:Think about the US response to 9/11 then post. There hasn't been a "response" to this politically yet big shot. Stop. edit: also, if your post is going to contain the word "Benghazi" or "Republicans", go to GBS.
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:31 |
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dusty posted:Think about the US response to 9/11 then post. There hasn't been a "response" to this politically yet big shot. So basically fuck this bombing, not for the near hundred people wounded or crippled, or the 2 dead, but for the inevitable military response (that I'm making up in my own head)? I mean I get it man, imperialism is bad, but maybe wait for literally the dust to settle before harumphing about a bunch of nervous nellie Americans going to start a war?
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:32 |
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And they say libertarians don't care.![]()
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:32 |
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jeffersonlives posted:It has already started with the identical manufactured outrage over Obama's failure to use the word "terror" in his statement. Sadly the media has a long tradition of spinning tragedy into propagandist bullshit.
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Joementum posted:And they say libertarians don't care. "I'm sorry your son is dead, but, you know, this Ron Paul check is gonna buy you so much heroin..."
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ThePkkKiller posted:I have two close friends who live in Boston. I have every right to "freak out" and "disrupt my life" man. They are fine
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Tatum Girlparts posted:So basically fuck this bombing, not for the near hundred people wounded or crippled, or the 2 dead, but for the inevitable military response (that I'm making up in my own head)? I mean I get it man, imperialism is bad, but maybe wait for literally the dust to settle before harumphing about a bunch of nervous nellie Americans going to start a war? You are an idiot. Unplug your modem and go for a walk - you need to calm down and stop lashing out at posters attempting to debate and discuss this incident. The only war being talked about in here is the one you're blathering about inside your head.
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:37 |
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jet sanchEz posted:They are fine Yeah, they are fine last time I heard from them. The one thing they said thats keeping them sane, is everyone so open to helping out.
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:37 |
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The noted British calm and reserve over terrorism, applied. ![]() ("british antiterrorism as a model" hahaha look at Northern Ireland you goddamn idiot)
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:38 |
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In all seriousness, the reaction I've seen has been pretty measured and calm, all things considered. Maybe I don't follow a lot of idiots on social media. I've switched to watching cable news, so I expect to eat those words shortly.
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:40 |
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Paul MaudDib posted:No, human reactions to events can easily be shaped by the social cues of the society they occur in. The idea that there can be universal human responses is patently absurd (or "idiotic garbage" since you prefer the version with a personal insult in). This is retreating from defending a point that - while obviously wrong - was at least a point that was trying to say something ("terrorism is more effective against Americans because...") with a useless handwaving that social cues influence everything to some degree. The original post is this: zoux posted:Unfortunately, terrorism is so effective against Americans because we are easy to scare, cannot comprehend risk in any meaningful way, and go completely bonkers after every terrorist event. If this was done by an Islamic terrorist (which I have no evidence or inkling of) you can bet the US will go mad with bloodlust and demand we invade some country, and the right and left-hawks will whip these people into a frenzy. Now, this post actually tries to make a point (unfortunately Americans do not scare any more or less easier than anyone else, bad comprehension of risk is a universal human trait, and the US does not go bonkers after every terrorist event: it "went bonkers" exactly once). The once nugget of correct information here - terrorism works because of cognitive flaws - is well-known as a universal human cognitive failing that is not cultural. Trying to defend this point by speaking in vague generalities (while ignoring, as I already pointed out, that facts demonstrate your "Norway > US" argument is bunk because you're ignoring the relevant comparison because it torpedoes your point) that never really ever engage the facts and just rely on this sort of vague allusions is useless. There's real intelligent discussion that can be had on terrorism, why it works, what to do to combat it. And there's the sort of dumb nonsense like "americans are susceptible to terrorism as they scare easily and violently" accompanied by a seeming unawareness that there are more terror attacks in America's history than 9/11 (and, there's a long history of terrorism outside the US and country's responses to it). Why terrorism works although it shouldn't (essentially, people taking outsized concern over minimal risks) is rooted in cognitive flaws that are well-known. Unfortunately most discussion of those tends to come from the speaker figuring out people aren't acting rationally and assuming that's because those people are dumb and the speaker is not. This is nonsense: even people well-aquainted with these sorts of biases make them all the time because they're fundamental to how we think about things (for a good explanation read Thinking Fast and Slow. This is dumber still when the speaker assumes an entire nation is dumb and the speaker is not: the speaker is just as susceptible to these flaws (if not more so, since because they themselves as immune they may not carefully check their automatic thinking).
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Joementum posted:In all seriousness, the reaction I've seen has been pretty measured and calm, all things considered. Maybe I don't follow a lot of idiots on social media. Pretty damn calm compared to the usual. Boston really had their shit together, and the even organizers and volunteers did wonderfully considering what happened.
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:41 |
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Blorange posted:Sadly the media has a long tradition of spinning tragedy into propagandist bullshit. Let me just be absolutely sure here: 4 hours after an explosion goes off in Boston, you're comparing it, directly and literally to the Boston Massacre. So cool.
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:41 |
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Ambrose Burnside posted:The noted British calm and reserve over terrorism, applied. What's funny is that you can easily pick out which are the tabloids without even seeing the titles.
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Paul MaudDib posted:It is though. The last thing we need is another 9/11-style fear-fueled binge of Patriot Acts and new government powers and restrictions. Yeah the only major response necessary for this is garbage cans that you cant put a large object in/ won't turn into shrapnel. Find the SoB(s) who did this and get past it.
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Joementum posted:In all seriousness, the reaction I've seen has been pretty measured and calm, all things considered. Maybe I don't follow a lot of idiots on social media. Watch the BBC instead
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I have Aljazeera and BBC.
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McDowell posted:Yeah the only major response necessary for this is garbage cans that you cant put a large object in/ won't turn into shrapnel. Boston has the type of trash cans specifically designed to minimize the damage by a bomb placed inside them for the subways: I wonder if they just hadn't gotten them for public trashcans because of the cost.
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Ambrose Burnside posted:The noted British calm and reserve over terrorism, applied. My "favourite" is the Mirror one which mentions the "Al Qaeda suspect" that the NYP said was detained. Being total bullshit (and not sharing the same editorial line and editorial bankruptcy as the Mirror) don't mention it at all.
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# ? Apr 15, 2013 15:45 |
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Joementum posted:In all seriousness, the reaction I've seen has been pretty measured and calm, all things considered. Maybe I don't follow a lot of idiots on social media.
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